Phil catches up with friend-of-the-show Esau McCaulley (New Testament Professor, NYT columnist, author of CT Book of the Year Reading While Black) for a wide-ranging conversation. Why do we keep getting MLK wrong? What do Black voices give up in order to be invited into white spaces, and is there a better way? What does McCaulley do to refocus on Jesus? And why did he decide his new book should be about, of all things, Lent?? McCaulley is a deep thinker AND a little bit of a goofball. Which makes his conversations with Phil always worth your time.   Patreon Bonus: Click here for info about Holy Post Patreon Book Club  patreon.com/holypost Holy Post merch store - https://www.holypost.com/shop  0:00 -  Sponsor Join the World Relief giving community The Path  worldrelief.org/holypost 0:46 - Intro 2:36 - Esau McCaulley interview 5:43 Martin Luther King Jr.  21:43 Systemic racism 28:01 Black voices in white spaces 41:50 Lent 45:58 End Credits   Links mentioned    The Kind of Revolution That Martin Luther King Jr. Envisioned  by Esau McCaulley  https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/15/opinion/martin-luther-king-woke-reparations.html   @esaumccaulley Esaumccaulley.com   Lent: The Season of Repentance and Renewal (Fullness of Time, 1) by Esau McCaulley https://amzn.to/3WXNodo   Reading While Black by Esau McCaulley https://amzn.to/3Rzw1ys   Josey Johnson's Hair and the Holy Spirit by Esau McCaulley https://amzn.to/3HUgndE https://www.holypost.com/   Support us and find premium content by going to https://www.patreon.com/holypost   The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.