Marcus is joined by Laurel Kays, Fire Learning Network Manager of The Nature Conservancy. Learn of the programs and networking support in which fire professionals are helping landowners to understand and navigate getting fire on their lands. Resources from the episode: Fire Learning Network Project Firehawk: Decolonizing Prescribed Fire A Pessimist’s Guide to Optimal Hope  Dr. Sarah McCaffrey on Effective Communication about Wildfire Management: Observations from 20 years of fire social science research Laurel Kays Dr. Marcus Lashley- @DrDisturbance    Enroll now in our free, online fire course. Available to all. This podcast is supported by listener donations - thank you for being a part of this effort. For more information, follow UF DEER Lab on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, YouTube.