Sarah talks to remarkable campaigner and inclusion expert Vibhu Sharma about how to bring more children and young people with disabilities into education. Sharing the difficulties she went through at school, Vibhu speaks about making sure that others do not have the same experience. They discuss what makes education truly inclusive, for children with or without a disability, or young refugees or children living in conflict situations This interview was recorded in September 2019 during the United Nations General Assembly in New York This episode of Better Angels was edited by Warren Borg, Worgie Productions.