Everyone does bad things. We know deep down are wrong, but we do them anyway. Sometimes, people do things so bad that we call them evil.Criminal psychologist Dr Julia Shaw says there’s no such thing as evil. In her book Making Evil, she argues that we should ditch the idea altogether, and try to understand so-called “evil” people.In this week’s episode of the Science Focus Podcast, she talks about psychopaths, mental illness and why we do bad things.Let us know what you think of the episode with a review or a comment wherever you listen to your podcasts.Subscribe to the Science Focus Podcast on these services: Acast, iTunes, Stitcher, RSS, OvercastRead the full transcription [this will open in a new window]This podcast was supported by brilliant.org, helping people build quantitative skills in maths, science, and computer science with fun and challenging interactive explorations.Listen to more episodes of the Science Focus Podcast:Jack Lewis: Sin and why we do the things we shouldn'tASMR science: are 'brain tingles' more than just a feeling?Jesse Bering: What can psychology tell us about suicide?Pete Etchells: Are video games good for us?Helen Russell: What does it mean to be happy?Gary Barker: What does it mean to be a man? Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.