Mario Vuksan, CEO and Co-Founder of ReversingLabs discusses modern digital objects, made up of layers of structured code and data, are central to the exchange or storage of information and are becoming increasingly complex. This interview is sponsored by ReversingLabs. To learn more about them, visit: https://www.reversinglabs.com/ Chris Wysopal, Co-Founder, CTO & CISO of Veracode, discusses how DevSecOps has moved security front and center in modern development. Yet security and development teams are driven by different metrics, making it challenging to align on objectives. The move to microservices-driven architecture and the use of containers and serverless has shifted the dynamics of how developers build, test, and deploy code. This interview is sponsored by Veracode. To learn more about them, visit: https://www.veracode.com/   Visit https://www.securityweekly.com/esw for all the latest episodes! Show Notes: https://securityweekly.com/esw194