Nope, Caylee didn't become an American for the new year. That smooth, calming radio voice you're listening to is Get Messy Guardian's @ginnistonik. She's interviewing the marvellous Guardians of the Community to bring even more inspir-action and encouragement to your ears.

The best part of someone else hosting the podcast is that we get to wax lyrical about how wise BOTH of them are. Such great insights in this episode. My favourite bit is the part where art gets lyrics... create alongside them and let us know what your favourite bit is too.

Since these are part of the new series of Messy Conversations, you get to watch it on YouTube if you'd like to see their gorgeous faces too - member or not.

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