The phenomenon of celebrity is quite…strange. Jackie talks about the pressure of maintaining a facade when notoriety places her in uncomfortable situations, and Preston advocates for a “hierarchy of opinions” to keep us all from becoming puppets. We also explore how celebrity culture affects the local church and its leaders.Previous Episode Reference: Fame: Christian Celebrity Culture (Season 3: Episode 5)Book Reference: Illusions of Immortality: A Psychology of Fame and Celebrity by David Giles Book Reference: The Great Divorce by C.S. LewisBook Reference: When Narcissism Comes to Church by Chuck DeGroatPodcast Reference: The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill by Christianity TodayTo get early access to 30 Minutes with The Perrys and other With The Perry’s content, join uson patreon.com/withtheperryswww.withtheperrys.comwww.jackiehillperry.comwww.preston-perry.com