Poet and critic Jack Underwood’s latest book Not Even This: Poetry, parenthood and living uncertainly (Little, Brown) combines meditations on literature with astrophysics, quantum mechanics and the art of parenting. Most of all though it is a lyrical essay in praise of uncertainty and the pleasures (and pains) of uncertain living. He was in conversation with fellow poet Raymond Antrobus whose first collection The Perseverance was published by Penned in the Margins and whose second All the Names Given is forthcoming from Picador. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.