This week, Kate follows up on some of the themes from last week about the lore and cultural significance of pageantry by bringing on a former pageant contestant & PR insider (and Beth!) named Cori Wallace, who chats with her about a variety of topics that extend beyond the scope of last week’s drama to meander through pageants being both a reflection (and regression) of elements of modern womanhood. From more granular details like what it costs and how people win, to the mental health implications of striving for impossible standards, the ethical grey area of sponsorship cross-pollination, and coaches being pageant producers. They also share some of their own vulnerabilities for chasing validation based off of a reduced version of themselves and wonder if they ever really stopped. All in all, it's like a fireside chat between friends trying to wind through a topic they feel two ways about thoughtfully. First, however, Kate does review some of the judging criteria she forgot to go over last week, but mostly just obsesses over which part of her body is her ‘carriage.'. Enjoy!SUPPORT OUR SPONSORSButcherBox is offering our listeners Free Turkey with their first order. Sign up today at butcherbox.com/BETHEREINFIVE and use code BETHEREINFIVE to get one 10 to 14 pound Turkey FREE in your first box. ​Frame your photos or send someone the perfect gift today at Framebridge.com promo code BTIF for 15% offSign up for a FREE trial at SHOPIFY.COM/bethereinfive, to start selling online today.To get 15% off your next gift, go to UNCOMMONGOODS.com/BETHEREINFIVE. Don’t miss out on this limited time offer! Uncommon Goods. We’re all out of the ordinary.