You might be thinking: “Is this going to be a weird campfire conversation where they share their demon stories?” No, quite the opposite! In today’s episode, Patrick sits down with Tim Mackie, cofounder of BibleProject, and the two have a sophisticated and candid discussion about the “powers” that Paul refers to in Ephesians. Tim shares how these spiritual powers contribute to disunity and fragmentation within the church, urging Christians to be aware of these schemes and seek unity above all else. You’ll also hear Tim share on how BibleProject navigates hot button, cultural topics and whether or not he believes the church should weigh in on such conversations. Listen now!

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