In this episode, we welcome Pastor Joby Martin back to the show. He is the founder and lead pastor of The Church of Eleven22 in Jacksonville, FL. He is the author of If the Tomb is Empty: Why the Resurrection Means Anything Is Possible and the host of the Deppen with Pastor Joby Martin podcast. In this interview, we discuss him literally calling me out for something I said on the show, what most megachurches get wrong about growth, how megachurches should focus on discipleship, how to know if someone got “saved” at your church, a new womb-to-tomb Pro-Life initiative his church is launching, the impact that secularists like Joe Rogan and Jordan Peterson have on Christian men, the controversy surrounding Matt Chandler, when it’s actually wrong to apologize, why he trains jiu-jitsu, and much more. Let’s get into it… 
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