Dr. Anthony Fauci, Chief Medical Advisor to the President of the United States and Director of NIAID, is standing down at the end of 2022. He joins Gavin and Jessamy to discuss becoming a household name during the COVID-19 pandemic, why scientific discourse in the USA is broken, and how the pandemic could end.Read The Lancet's profile of Dr. Fauci here:Anthony Fauci: moving onYou can continue the conversation with Jessamy and Gavin on Twitter by following them at @JessamyBagenal and @GavinCleaver.