“... There is a better understanding that the health of people and the health of economies are tightly linked. So we can do much more now, make more progress on health, because this relationship is better understood. We should take hope from that and fight more on the issues of equality, reducing inequalities in health and giving everybody their right to health.” Winnie Byanyima recently became the Director-General of UNAIDS, the United Nations organization that is leading the ambitious global effort to end HIV AIDS as a public health threat by the year 2030. Having been appointed in February, the start of her journey has been full on with the rise of the COVID-19 pandemic in March. She talks about what it's been like having to deal with the complexities of two pandemics at once and what she has learnt so far.