"The answer is no and continues to be no." Jodi Samuels says that people used to say, “When we grow up, we want to be like the Samuels”; until 2008, everything about her life seemed perfect. But in February of that year, when her daughter Caila was born with Down Syndrome, her life changed dramatically, and she and her husband almost immediately became activists. And when the local Orthodox school refused to allow Caila to enroll, Jodi's activism made news around the world. Join Scott Kahn as he interviews Jodi Samuels about her fight for inclusion, the successes and difficulties she has faced along the way, and her new book, Chutzpah, Wisdom and Wine: The Journey of an Unstoppable Woman. Visit Jodi's website at https://www.jodisvoice.com/. Check out https://jewishcoffeehouse.com/ for the Orthodox Conundrum and other great podcasts, and remember to subscribe to them on your favorite podcast provider. Also visit our Patreon site for bonus episodes, merch, and more at https://www.patreon.com/jewishcoffeehouse. Music: "Happy Rock" by bensound.com