In this episode of Signposts, I am joined by Dr. Tod Bolsinger to talk about his new book, Tempered Resilience: How Leaders Are Formed in the Crucible of Change (IVP, 2020). In our conversation we talk about leadership, dealing with conflict and pastoral exhaustion, and how to equip and encourage future leaders. Tod Bolsinger (PhD, Fuller Theological Seminary) is a speaker, executive coach, former pastor, and author who serves as associate professor of leadership formation and senior fellow for the De Pree Center for Leadership at Fuller Seminary. His books include the Outreach Magazine Resource of the Year in Pastoral Leadership, Canoeing the Mountains, and the Christianity Today Award of Merit recipient, It Takes a Church to Raise a Christian.I invite you to listen in to our conversation and be sure to subscribe to receive future episodes of Signposts.