“I realized that more interesting things happen when I could do away with notions of quality and taste,” says Massimiliano Gioni, artistic director of the New Museum in New York and director of the Trussardi Foundation in Milan. Gioni—who The New York Times called a "biennale veteran" by the time he was 38—says this thinking freed him up to stage exhibitions that moved away from treating art like “the isolated masterpiece”. He talks to host Charlotte Burns about the collapse of the alternative art, music and publishing scenes in the 1990s and about the potential of social mobility within the art world.  Massimiliano’s latest show, “Appearance Stripped Bare: Desire and the Object in the Work of Marcel Duchamp and Jeff Koons, Evens”, is on view until 29 September at the Museo Jumex in Mexico City. To hear more, tune in now. Transcript: https://www.artagencypartners.com/transcript-63-massimiliamo/  “In Other Words” is a presentation of AAP and Sotheby’s, produced by Audiation.fm. Transcript: https://www.artagencypartners.com/transcript-63-massimiliamo/  “In Other Words” is a presentation of AAP and Sotheby’s, produced by Audiation.fm.