(***TIMESTAMPS & Book Links in description below) ~ Andy Greenberg is an award-winning reporter, author, and hacking expert. Currently, Andy is a senior writer for WIRED, covering security, privacy, and information freedom. Throughout his career at Wired (and Forbes before that), Greenberg has been the go-to reporter on major international news stories including: Julian Assange & Wikileaks, Ross Ulbricht & Silk Road, Government-Sponsored hacking in Russia, China, & North Korea –– and the underworld of cryptocurrency. He’s the author of “Sandworm” and “This Machine Kills Secrets” –– as well as the forthcoming book “Tracers in the Dark.” Furthermore, he was a main feature in the 2015 Documentary, “Deep Web,” about the downfall of Silk Road. “Sandworm” by Andy Greenberg: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07GD4MFW2/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1  “This Machine Kills Secrets” by Andy Greenberg: https://rb.gy/4k2suv  ***TIMESTAMPS*** 0:00 - Intro; Andy remembers his first book about Wikileaks; The 2010 Collateral Murder Wikileaks drop; The Cypherpunks 18:03 - Andy talks about when Wikileaks came on his radar; How Andy got into contact with Julian Assange and landed 2010 in person interview with him in London; Andy talks about his sitdown Assange and what he thinks of him; How Wikileaks operates 43:54 - US Bias in Wikileaks reporting?; Assange and his impact on the 2016 election with the DNC email hack; Did Assange know who the source of the hack was?; Guccifer and how the DNC hack went down; The “religious” nature of the hacking argument 1:02:03 - How Andy came to discover the Sandworm story and begin reporting on it; The Ukrainian Power Grid takedowns of 2015 and 2016 and how it went down; The three agencies in Russia and where Sandworm fits in 1:23:57 - Andy explains NotPetya and the Ransomware attacks that groups like Sandworm in Russia utilized to hack and create chaos; The Equation Group hackers at the NSA; Zero Day explained; The Shadow Brokers and Eternal Blue; How Sandworm got into Ukraine’s power systems in 2015 1:37:48  - Andy tells the story of the 2017 Maersk global NotPetya attack; The downstream effects across many industries from the Maersk attack; The sobering reality of our modern day all-tech world; Andy explains what happened with the NSA’s Stuxnet attack on Iranian Nuclear Centrifuges 2:03:30 - Debating the Mutually Assured Destruction argument with respect to the cyberwar; China’s activity in international hacking; “If Russia is a hurricane, China is climate change”; North Korea’s criminal hacking teams; The White House just put a bounty on Sandworm 2:22:38 - We need a Geneva Convention for Cyber Warfare and Cyber crimes; The Obama and Trump Whitehouse positions on Russian hacking; Andy’s conversation about Sandworm with Obama’s Cybersecurity Czar J. Michael Daniel 2:39:22 - Boots on the ground  vs cyber