Jess is joined by Madonna MLVC pod co-host Tony Trius in his third appearance, this time for our official Sandra Bernhard Showbiz Glamour Power Hour. We share our Sandy origin stories, New York City run-ins, nights at Joe’s Pub, discuss Without You I’m Nothing,  appearances on Howard Stern, Letterman and Roseanne + relive the late-80s clique of Madonna, Sandy, Debi Mazar and Jennifer Grey. Plus, Jess reads important excerpts from her interview with Sandy and tells the story of befriending a Madonna fan she met in an AOL chat room who would later become Sandra’s manager.  * talkspace.com code DEEPDIVES for $100 off *  * cheapcaribbean.com/hot-takes-deep-dives *  IG @jessxnyc, @hottakesdeepdives, @mlvcpodcast, @tonytrius