This is an eye-opening discussion to the very heart of what makes conservation work. Dr Amy Dickman is a Caplan Senior Research Fellow at Felid Conservation in the Department of Zoology at Oxford University, as well as sitting on the IUCN Cat Specialist Group, so much of our chat centres around her work with big cats, but we dig deep into how conservation can be made sustainable in the long term, as well as the complexities of human-wildlife conflict, and the common insensitivity of conservation interactions with local communities. We talk about the importance of compassion and humanity in our efforts to conserve wild spaces, and the necessity to implement an international value to resources if we want to protect them. We finish up our chat talking about the famous picture of Amy holding her young child on stage at a National Geographic conference, and what challenges she faced being a woman in the conservation. Amy: https://www.zoo.ox.ac.uk/people/dr-amy-dickman Amy on Twitter: @amydickman4 Support the show: www.patreon.com/pacebrothers Modern Huntsman: www.modernhuntsman.com Website: www.thepacebrothers.com