In this two part series, Former Chair of the Ohio Democratic Party David Pepper joins Ron Steslow to discuss his book, Laboratories of Autocracy, and how state legislatures have contributed to the erosion of democracy—and why Ohio is emblematic of what’s happening around the country.

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(01:33) How “laboratories of autocracy” work

(09:46) The 80/20 strategy

(17:30) Moving from “Never Trump” to “Always Democracy”

(24:19) How we get on the same page about what the threats to democracy are

(31:00) What we can do to push back against rising autocracy 

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