This episode is for fans of Fat Wreck, Hot Water Music and being popular in Europe. Joking aside, I am very pleased to bring you this discussion that Joe McMahon from Smoke or Fire and I had one afternoon! I had always been a fan of the band but never really knew much about their origin stories, why the band had to change their name and how they signed to Fat Wreck Chords to begin with. Listen, learn and most importantly listen to Smoke or Fire. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.