Rest in Power to Gared O'Donnell. This conversation originally was published in 2012 and was one of the first conversations I had for this podcast. He was a special human and I am saddened that he is no longer with us. Listen to this episode and listen to the entire PMFS catalog...it's well worth your time. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.