In this episode of The Cordial Catholic, I'm joined by Fr. Jeffrey Kirby to talk about Catholicism as a relationship between us and Jesus or as a religion. In his new book, Fr. Kirby clearly comes down on the side of religion and explains what *real* religion demands of us, and what rewards we're bound to receive as a result! It's a great conversation to help understand what drives Catholicism at its very deepest core: God's desire for us to become more like Him and live, ultimately, in relationship with us! To check out Fr. Kirby's book please visit Catholic Answers.For more, visit The Cordial Catholic. Send your feedback to cordialcatholic@gmail.com. Sign up for our weekly newsletter for my reflections on each episodes, behind-the-scenes content, and exclusive contests! To watch this and other episodes please visit (and subscribe to!) our YouTube channel.Please consider financially supporting this show! For more information visit the Patreon page.  All patrons receive access to exclusive content and if you can give $5/mo or more you'll also be entered into monthly draws for fantastic books hand-picked by me.If you'd like to give a one-time donation to The Cordial Catholic, you can visit the PayPal page.Thank you to those already supporting the show!This podcast is brought to you in a special way by our Patreon Co-Producers Gina, Eyram, Susanne, Elli and Tom, Kelvin and Susan, and Stephen.Support the show