Jonathan and I met when I was a guest on his podcast https://open.spotify.com/show/7eX2IiCxiX7L4RcHpJpmpI I was super nervous to go on as he's an academic at OSU, and we have very opposing views when it comes to politics. I was felt so welcome and able to speak my opinions without judgement that I asked him to be a guest on my podcast. The beautiful thing is that we don't have to agree on a single thing to be kind and respectful. I love episodes like this because I want to make it clear I am always open to conversation, and willing to take in new information, and even crazier change my mind if new evidence emerges. I think we can all benefit from a growth mindset, and not identify ourselves by ideologies.  Stay Curious.If you want to support the podcast https://www.chattingwithcandice.com/Support the show