This was the furthest the podcast has reached as Leonard and I had a 6 hour time difference at the time of this recording.  We had to navigate some delays in our conversation but we pulled it off.  Plus you might be interested in how we met and how our first conversation went down. Leonard has a wonderful story on how 9/11 created a ripple effect in his career as a dog trainer which eventually led him to working on TV shows.  Would love to know what you think of this interview.