Liz Weil, writer-at-large for the New York Times Magazine under the byline Elizabeth Weil, joins Thirty Love host Carl Bialik to talk about Weil's profile of Venus Williams for the Times Magazine, covering tennis as an outsider, whether there would have been Venus without Serena, and what's next for Venus. Have a suggestion for a Thirty Love guest, during the US Open or beyond? Email Carl at bialik@pm.me Music by Lee Rosevere: "Credit Roll" and "Glass Android."