Ross Barkan, author of The Prince: Andrew Cuomo, Coronavirus, and the Fall of New York, joins Nathan to discuss the career of the infamous ex-New York governor. We talk about:

- How an un-charismatic and unpleasant bully made his inspiring journey from humble beginnings as the son of the governor of New York to become the governor of New York

- How Cuomo managed to keep a blue state from actually passing progressive legislation

- How his Machiavellian ruthlessness, and New York's broken election system, kept him in power for so long

- How the media allows politicians like Cuomo to portray themselves as heroes when their actual policies are disastrous

Ross' book is an important document of the lies and manipulation of one of our time's shadiest state leaders. It offers an important case study in how centrists govern and the kind of politics we need to overthrow.

Edited by Tim Gray