Current Affairs editor-in-chief Nathan J. Robinson sits down with artist and writer Molly Crabapple to discuss the merits of political art, the way society values (and undervalues) artists, and her experiences drawing everyone from Occupy anarchists to the prisoners at Guantanamo Bay. They also return to the most controversial topic ever covered by Current Affairs—modern architecture.

This episode was edited by Dan Thorn at Pink Noise Studios in Somerville, MA.