Jordan and Brandon talk with Jacob Denhollander about penal substitutionary atonement. What is it? What are the problems with it? Is it cosmic child abuse? Why does it often drift into abuse language? What is justice? What is the difference between the Westminster Confession and the Savoy Confession on the justice of God? How does penal substitutionary atonement positively address abuse? And more.Find out more from us at our website.Check out Jacob's wife Rachael's resources here.Resources:1) The Crucified King, Jeremy Treat2) Redeeming Power, Understanding Authority and Abuse in the Church, Diane Langberg3) Suffering and the Heart of God, Diane Langberg4) Rid of My Disgrace, Justin and Lindsey Holcomb5) Hope & Restoration After Sexual Abuse, Brad Hambrick6) The Body Keeps the Score: Brain, Mind, and Body in the Healing of Trauma, Bessel van der Kolk Support the show