Steve and Katie have a wide ranging conversation with art historian and former lawyer, Joan Kee, about the topic of her new book, Models of Integrity: Art and Law in Post-Sixties America. Their conversation probes artists’ embrace and rejection of legal structures in contemporary America, as well as artistic indifference about and dependence on the law. Resources: https://lsa.umich.edu/histart/people/faculty/jkee.html https://www.amazon.com/Models-Integrity-Art-Post-Sixties-America/dp/0520299388 https://christojeanneclaude.net/artworks/realized-projects http://www.suzannelacy.com/early-works