In this episode of the PRI podcast, Jasper Cox, Investment Practices Analyst at the PRI, speaks with Lupin Rahman, Head of Emerging Markets Sovereign Credit at PIMCO, and Jarrad Linzie, Global Head of Fixed Income Index Research at MSCI.   Indices help shape investment decisions, whether investors track them passively or use them as a benchmark for performance. Therefore, the index providers incorporating environmental, social and governance (ESG) factors into a growing number of their products are key actors in the responsible investment ecosystem.   When designing ESG indices for government bonds, there are certain differences compared with corporate indices. This podcast explores these distinctions, as well as the purpose of ESG sovereign debt indices and potential areas for future development.   Find the podcast transcript here: https://bit.ly/3bAXNcG   Interested in the resources discussed in this episode?   Bringing together sovereign debt investors and index providers: https://www.unpri.org/sovereign-debt/bringing-together-sovereign-debt-investors-and-index-providers/9890.article