In this episode the bearded banter about the fact that Ivan doesn’t like Jim Gaffigan and stand up in general, they really get into it. Skip to 10:50 if you don’t care for the banter. They then get into the topic, a quote from St. Bernard of Clairvaux on The Song of Songs. The struggle that is becoming a reservoir for our family and really the world. Listen in for tips and tricks on how to fill your cup so it can overflow into the rest of your life.