Adrian talks with Katherine Jacobsen, a freelance journalist living in Ukraine and covering Russia and Ukraine for western media outlets. Jacobsen watched the Euromaidan revolution firsthand, and has an unusual perspective on Ukrainian society—both in terms of how the recent revolution unfolded, and in terms of how it responds to bureaucracy and the former Soviet system. Not a subscriber? You can get this and all our other bonus episodes for $5 a month right here - www.patreon.com/hellofawaytodie