In this episode of Empire, Jason and Santi are joined by Erik Voorhees, the founder of Shapeshift and OG of the crypto industry (joining in 2011). Erik believes crypto can change the world, and this episode explores his thesis on Bitcoin's future, on-chain maximalism, DAO structures and crypto's path to adoption.

Highlights include:
- What is the best form of money
- Bitcoin's tail emission risk
- How DeFi will outperform CeFi
- Will all financial transactions be on-chain?
- The likely path to adoption
- Why DAO failures are a sign of innovation
- Thoughts on regulation
- The future of centralized exchanges
- Why Thorchain is a gamechanger
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(00:00) Introduction
(01:32) Moving Beyond Bitcoin 
(03:50) Bitcoin Is The Best Form of Money
(05:34) Bitcoin's Declining Block Subsidy
(11:13) Woke Culture vs Bitcoin Maximalism 
(12:50) The Bifurcation of CeFi and DeFi
(16:18) Limits to DeFi's Growth 
(22:50) Why Users Will Want To Use DeFi
(26:50) A Short and Long Term Vision of the World
(28:48) Paraswap Ad
(29:56) The Path to Adoption
(35:38) Is The Worst Behind Us?
(37:22) Erik's Current Focus
(38:38) DAO Structures and Experimentation
(46:08) A DAOs Most Important Use Case
(49:30) Iterative Regulation 
(55:54) Centralized Exchanges
(57:05) Thorchain's Use Case 
(58:48) Advice To New People In the Space
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Disclaimer: Nothing said on Empire is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Santiago, Jason, and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.