A conversation with Dr. David Gussak about his new book "The Frenzied Dance of Art and Violence." Gussak’s new book examines violence as a touchstone throughout the history of art from artists like Caravaggio who struggled with violent behavior, to artists like Picasso whose work was influenced by atrocities to the paintings and drawings of infamous serial killers. In our conversation, Dr. Gussak guides us through the psychological analysis of violence’s role in the art making process while also providing insights from his decades of professional experience in art therapy for the incarcerated.