Just after Ukrainian President Zelenskyy addresses Congress, Michael gets the latest political angle of the Russian invasion in Ukraine from Wide World of News political analyst Mark Halperin, and, from a battle perspective, what would a conventional (non-nuclear) war look like between NATO and Russia, if it were to come to that? Michael asks Dr. Rowan Allport, at the Human Security Centre in London. Original air date 16 March 2022.