Li and Nathan spoke to Turner Novak, a former GP at Gelt VC and an omnipresent memelord on Twitter and TikTok. He is currently just vibing while he works on launching something new. He’s deeply insightful about the creator economy, and this conversation revolved around the recent backlash over Substack Pro and it’s status as a platform or a publisher, Twitter adding monetisation features for Spaces, what makes Clubhouse engaging, and more!  Brought to you by Means of Creation, an Every newsletter.