Episode 38.  Chuck and Chris talk to hand therapy geniuses Amy Lake from Dallas and Macy Stonner from St Louis. We talk about the vital therapist- surgeon relationship and all things related.  Fun, engaged conversation with deep insights on what makes these relationships so important.As always, thanks to @iampetermartin for the amazing introduction and conclusion music. And thanks to Eric Zhu, the Upper Hand intern extraordinaire.theupperhandpodcast.wustl.edu