This week we catch up with Matthew Ferraro an attorney at the international law firm Wilmer Cutler Pickering Hale and Dorr and former intelligence officer. He has written extensively on national security and legal issues and most recently authored the CNN opinion piece “Ransomware attacks are about to get worse. But there are ways to stop them”. He shares with us perspective on the role of governance in the continued pursuit to thwart ransomware groups which can feel like a “whack a mole” battle. He also dives into the growing deepfakes as a service business and the differences between “the liar’s dividend” and “the zealot’s dividend”. Be sure to read his CNN op-ed on the growing ransomware threat here: https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/13/perspectives/ransomware-attacks-cybersecurity/index.html For links and resources discussed in this episode, please visit our show notes at https://www.forcepoint.com/govpodcast/e156