Dr Koontz and Rev Fisk discuss civilization, beginning with the Two Kingdoms and their interconnected nature. They explore a framework for understanding civilization laid out by Carroll Quigley's book, Tragedy and Hope, showing the value of humanity and freedom as the measure of civilization.

Mentioned in this episode:  Tragedy and Hope by Carroll Quigley

Find Rev Fisk's other podcasts:  ...SAVED - Rev Fisk's Sermons, Stop the White Noise with Jonathan and Meridith

Visit our website -  A Brief History of Power

Many thanks to our sponsors, Blessed Sacrament Lutheran Church in Hayden, ID and Our Savior Lutheran Church and School in Pagosa Springs, CO

Dr Koontz - Agrarian, Egghead -  Concordia Theological Seminary Fort Wayne

Rev Fisk - Author, Fanatic - St Paul Rockford

Music thanks to Verny