‘What would you prefer? Would you prefer that this boy, Vasya, die because he couldn't get dialysis? Would you prefer that this girl, Katya, die from her shrapnel wounds that she suffered during the war that was obviously not her fault? Right? Like would it be better if I held my nose and refuse to engage in these compromises so these kids died? Would you be sort of happier, so you could write about how awful the bloody Putin regime is?’Joshua Yaffa explaining the perspective of Russian humanitarian Elizaveta GlinkaA full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com or a short review of Between Two Fires: Truth, Ambition, and Compromise in Putin's Russia here.Joshua Yaffa joins the podcast to discuss his new book Between Two Fires: Truth, Ambition, and Compromise in Putin's Russia. He is a correspondent for The New Yorker based primarily in Moscow, Russia.Key HighlightsWho was Dr. Liza?The types of compromises must Russians make with the state to pursue their dreamsThe role of the Russian state in the arts through the story of theater director Kirill SerebrennikovLegal challenges for business owners in Russia through the experience of zookeeper Oleg ZubkovThe limited space for human rights activism in Chechnya through the experience of Heda SaratovaKey LinksBetween Two Fires: Truth, Ambition, and Compromise in Putin's Russia by Joshua YaffaLearn more about Joshua Yaffa at www.joshuayaffa.com.Follow Joshua Yaffa on Twitter @yaffaesqueRelated ContentTimothy Frye Says Putin is a Weak StrongmanBryn Rosenfeld on Middle Class Support for Dictators in Autocratic RegimesMore from the PodcastMore InformationDemocracy GroupApes of the State created all MusicEmail the show at jkempf@democracyparadox.comFollow on Twitter @DemParadoxFollow on Instagram @democracyparadoxpodcast100 Books on DemocracySupport the show