What we are doing in this volume is blurring the boundaries between this older conception of top-down mobilized movements and this newer conception of bottom-up organic, spontaneous civil society propelled movements and discovering that there's an awful lot in the middle there.Elizabeth PerryA full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com or a short review of Ruling by Other Means: State-Mobilized Movements here.Elizabeth Perry and Grzegorz Ekiert join the podcast to discuss their new book Ruling by Other Means: State-Mobilized Movements (coedited with Xiaojun Yan). Elizabeth is the Henry Rosovsky Professor of Government at Harvard University and Director of the Harvard-Yenching Institute. Grzegorz is the Laurence A. Tisch Professor of Government at Harvard University and Director of Minda de Gunzburg Center for European Studies.Key HighlightsWhat are state-mobilized movements?Why do authoritarian regimes mobilize supporters?The role of violence in state-mobilized movementsWhy do people mobilize to support dictators?What does it teach us about civil society? Key LinksRuling by Other Means: State-Mobilized Movements edited by Grzegorz Ekiert, Elizabeth J. Perry, and Yan XiaojunMinda de Gunzburg Center for European Studies Harvard-Yenching Institute Related ContentErica Chenoweth on Civil ResistanceJonathan Pinckney on Civil Resistance TransitionsMore from the PodcastMore InformationDemocracy GroupApes of the State created all MusicEmail the show at jkempf@democracyparadox.comFollow on Twitter @DemParadoxFollow on Instagram @democracyparadoxpodcast100 Books on DemocracySupport the show