You paint an eye. Is this the eye that everybody sees? Or is this the eye that only you see, and to you it means eye. All painters hope to become visual listeners with intuitive clarity.  Benisadr has a special ability to listen to his paintings in a way that not many people can. Synesthesia is a neurological ability to process data in the form of several senses at once. When Ali made the decision to make work based on sounds he heard in color, he found a sort of freedom in meshing overwhelming sensations of rhythm, energy, time, and tones into a meditative experience that felt more real than anything else he’d ever done.  Join in on this conversation as Marshall, Sophia, and Ali Benisadr talk about what it means to listen to an image and trust your inner knowledge as process no matter where it takes you.Show notes: 07:23 - Gustave Courbet painting - The Painter's Studio17:50 - Garden of Earthly Delights 24:50 - Rumi39:01 - 8 years war44:54 - Barry McGee  55:13 - Synesthesia56:59 - Kandinsky's book1:01:08 -The last judgement1:01:50 - Bosch & BanisadrSupport the show (https://paypal.me/artgrindpodcast?locale.x=en_US)