Russian attacks on Ukraine creep ever closer to Poland, a NATO country. If that happens it will drag all 30 NATO countries, including the USA and UK, into a war with Russia. No one wants a Third World War, but would Russia go that far? On the Sky News Daily podcast with Leah Boleto, we are joined by Robert Pszczel, a former Polish diplomat and NATO official, and Kurt Volker, a former US permanent representative to NATO and special representative for Ukraine. Producer: Soila ApparicioDigital producer: David ChipakupakuEditor: Philly Beaumont