Tim DeChristopher gained international attention (and a 21-month prison sentence) for sabotaging an auction of oil and gas leases on public lands back in 2008, and has supported nonviolent direct climate actions ever since. He joins Asher in Crazy Town to talk about a different kind of sabotage — the destruction of property and infrastructure that are fueling the climate crisis. Tim and Asher discuss why sabotage has not been a tactic of the climate movement to date, why some activists like Andreas Malm are now championing it, and why the climate community needs to reckon with the likelihood that climate sabotage — and possibly even violence — is inevitable.Support the show (https://www.postcarbon.org/supportcrazytown/)