Kristin is talking with with Rabbi Leah Jordan and Pam Grossman — writer, curator, and teacher of magical practice and history — to dig deep into Willow's Jewishness, her witchy-ness, and how those two identities are in conversation with each other (or how we *wish* they would have been!) across seven seasons of Buffy the Vampire Slayer.This episode contains spoilers through the end of Season 7 of Buffy!LOCATE YOUR HOSTS UPON THE INTERNETRabbi Leah Jordan: @leah_solo; Kehillah North LondonPam Grossman: @phantasmaphile; pamgrossman.comKristin Russo: @kristinnoeline; kristinnoeline.comMORE ON OUR GUESTSLeah Jordan is Rabbi of Kehillah North LondonShe received semicha from the Leo Baeck College in London and has lived and worked for over a decade in Britain. Leah is co-coordinator of Azara-Opening the Beit Midrash (www.asra.org.uk), a new initiative creating Jewish text learning for everyone in the UK, and they are a current and founding member of Na’amod: British Jews Against Occupation (@NaamodUK), a movement of British Jews dedicated to ending our community’s support for the Occupation. Leah has spent three years of their adult life in Jerusalem, learning Torah and on-the-ground organising, as a Fellow at both the Conservative Yeshiva and the Pardes Institute of Jewish Studies, as well as doing a yearlong Fellowship at Yeshivat Hadar in New York City. Leah also holds an MA in Jewish Studies from King’s College London, and a BA in English Literature from the University of Kansas, with concentrations in Modern European History and French language studies at the Alliance Française in Paris.Leah is from a ‘country,’ as Bob Dylan wrote, ‘called the Midwest.’ They especially love teaching Torah & Jewish text study, youth work, building community, and organising for change. They also love travel & the universe, both this actual one, as well as fictional universes and stories. They live in London with their partner, Benji Stanley, also a rabbi. She/TheyPam Grossman is the creator and host of internationally beloved podcast, The Witch Wave ("The Terry Gross of witches" - Vulture), the author of the critically acclaimed books, Waking the Witch: Reflections on Women, Magic, and Power  (Gallery Books) and What is a Witch (Tin Can Forest Press), and the co-editor of the WITCHCRAFT volume of Taschen's Library of Esoterica series. Her writing has appeared in such outlets as The New York Times, The Atlantic, Time, and Ms. Magazine. She is cofounder of the Occult Humanities Conference at NYU, and her art exhibitions and magical projects have been featured in such publications as Artforum, Art in America, and The New Yorker. She lives in Brooklyn with her husband and their two feline familiars. You can find her at PamGrossman.com and @Phantasmaphile, and support her work at The Witch Wave Patreon!+++Links from Leah:how Antisemitism and white supremacy are intertwinedScholar Matthew Pateman on Willow's "disappearing Jewishness"great summary of representations of anti-Jewish archetypes in media, with scholar Jonathan BranfmanConcepts in Jewish Tradition: Demons & Demonology, Is There a Jewish Afterlife?, Teshuva, or Repentance, Kabbalah and Mysticism 101, Tikkun Olam: Repairing the World, Maimonides (Rambam) and His Texts, Lilith: Lady Flying in the DarknessGenesis, chapter 4, verse 7: "Surely, if you try to do right, There is uplift. But if you do not do right Sin crouches at the door; Its urge is toward you, Yet you can be overcome it.”SVARA: a traditionally radical yeshiva, a queer yeshivaNonbinary Hebrew ProjectAND kids now are doing Willow Rosenberg-themed b'nei mitzvah!Links from Pam:Ezra RoseKey of SolomonThe Lesser Key of Solomon (Goetia)Incantation bowlsHamsaMezuzahDori MidnightRebekah ErevKohonet Hebrew Priestess InstituteAshkenazi Herbalism by Adam Siegel and Deatra CohenMargaret MurrayWitch-cult hypothesisGerald GardnerWiccaStarhawkZsuzsanna BudapestMargot AdlerHermetic Order of the Golden DawnAleister CrowleyDion FortuneTree of Life/