Last week, the Kashmiri separatist leader Yasin Malik was awarded two life sentences by a special National Investigation Agency (NIA) court. Malik was convicted on charges of raising and accepting funds for carrying out terrorist and secessionist acts in the Kashmir Valley in 2016-17.In this episode, host Shashank Bhargava is joined by Indian Express’ National Editor of Strategic Affairs Nirupama Subramanian, and Deeptiman Tiwary to talk about the significance of this sentencing, why the Indian establishment had been engaging with him, and the reasons why it did not yield the desired results.