Elaine Kamarck of the Brookings Institution joins us for the first time. She and Jonah stray from pure rank punditry to instead discuss intra-party politics of primaries, the Democratic Party, and Elaine’s innate skepticism of the Electoral College. Jonah pushes back by saying that “When you start to dig under the surface, most people who oppose the Electoral College are really just saying that they don’t like the Senate,” to which Elaine has a great, balanced response (probably the best answer we’ve heard on this program from someone that dislikes the Electoral College). Join the program to see more light than heat on this episode.

Show Notes:
-Elaine Kamarck, the Brookings Institution
-Elaine’s latest book, Primary Politics: Everything You Need to Know about How America Nominates Its Presidential Candidates
-Elaine: “The urgent need for peer review in the presidential nominating process”
-The McGovern-Fraser Commission Report
-"I opened up the doors of the Democratic Party, and 20 million people walked out."
-81 percent of black Americans don't want less police presence
-NYT: “Yes, We Mean Literally Abolish the Police”
-Lessons from Mike Bloomberg’s attempt to buy the 2020 election
-Why Presidents Fail and How They Can Succeed Again
-The National Popular Vote Interstate Compact
-Elaine and John Hudak: “How to get rid of the Electoral College”
-Elaine with Jon Ward on The Long Game podcast
-The latest GLoP podcast