Kegan, Michael and Mark talk about COVID, of course, how one should comport oneself when meeting and greeting others these days, and how to handle personal hygiene/care: wear a mask where appropriate, create distance when feasible, wash your hands, don't touch eyes, mouth, nose, etc., oh, and lose weight, eat better, exercise to stimulate immune function but don't crash it ... what else? They spoke about politicians too, and language, how culture influences lingual development and how language is the key to understanding a different culture or subculture. Two things became apparent after this episode, 1) These guys complain about things but also volunteer to be exposed to them, and even use the tools that often vex them, and 2) they really do need to try harder.