Have you ever experienced a psychedelic encounter with a plant spirit or an entity? Have you ever experienced a spirit realm or being healed by a shaman? Have you ever felt as though you invoked some type of divination or noetic insight while on psychedelics? Have you ever wondered if any of that was real or just merely a hallucination? The increasing popularity of using psychedelic substances within so-called shamanic ceremonies has introduced ideas and beliefs into the modern world that push conceptual limits of the rational mind. The rise of plant shamanism is a cultural force to be reckoned with and that which we encounter with shamanism feels urgent and real. Yet, however real the experiences with a shamanic encounter may feel, the question still remains: how real is it, really? I asked Julian Plamer and James Kent to come on the show to debate  on this question: "What do you believe is the fundamental nature of that which arises within a psychedelic experiences, in particular regards to what is often called The Shamanic paradigm, including the existence of a spirit realm, encounters with plant spirits or entities and the capacity to invoke healing or divination within a psychedelic experiences by way of this paradigm?" It's a juicy one. Enjoy   *** Support On Patreon! Http://www.patreon.com/jameswjesso Leave A One-Time PayPal Donation: https://www.paypal.me/JWJesso   *** Related Links:    Head to http://www.bit.ly/ATTMind68 show notes to this episode. Check out this episode's sponsor Transzen Enter promo code "ATTM" for free shipping in the USA Healing The Past: Intergenerational Trauma & Emotional Responsibility (Lecture) My 2018 summer European Tour Dates   *** Follow and subscribe! Twitter: https://twitter.com/jameswjesso Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/jameswjesso Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jameswjesso/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/AdventuresThroughTheMind?sub_confirmation=1   *** Support On Patreon! Http://www.patreon.com/jameswjesso Leave A One-Time PayPal Donation: https://www.paypal.me/JWJesso